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    March 19, 2011
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worst nuclear accident? we'll take you to chernobyl, some 25 years after that catastrophe. good morning. welcome to "msnbc saturday." i'm alex witt. just past 9:00 on the east. 6:00 a.m. out west. what's happening for you. dramatic twists on the ground in libya are putting more fresher on international leaders to launch a military response. gadhafi's army rolled into the rebel stronghold of agabenghazi battling rebels in the street. and secretary of state clinton meeting with officials about taking military action in libya. and jim maceda is with us from tripoli. get to benghazi. first up, called the rebel capital. what do we know about the situation there this morning? >> reporter: hi again, alex. the situation is not looking good at all for those rebels in their capitol and for the civilians. the people who live 670,000 of them, who live in the second largest libyan city.
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we're hearing now reports of hundreds upon hundreds of cars full of families that are exiting to the east, leaving the city from the east, heading, then, towards egypt and that border. they've been, many of them, stopped when they see a camera and expressing shock, expressing dismay, disappointment, how this 24 hours ago they were happy, joyous, they believed that the playing field would be letterle only too see too little too late in terms of an international response, asking, where are the air strikes? that is an indication just how the mood is in benghazi. militarily speaking, it's very fluid. there are reports now that the pro-gadhafi forces have swung from the southwestern outskirts to the southeastern outskirts. one suggestion there was a victory for the rebels as they
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commandeered four tanks. however, inexorably, the better gunned and better maned pro-gadhafi forceless have their day in the center of that town. back to you, alex. >> jim, let's get to this video we have. my director's going to roll it in of a fighter jet crashing in benghazi. what do we know about this situation? >> reporter: well, it's still status quo on our knowledge of the details. we do know, however, pretty much it was confirmed by the rebel leadership itself, that this was one of three, two or three rebel planes. very old planes. that the rebels sent up earlier today to try to engage pro-gadhafi forces that were entering the southwestern outskirts of the city. we're talking about tanks, multiple rocket launchers, artillery, that type of thing. however, up in the sky it was either hit by pro-gadhafi forces or by stray rebel rounds and
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they shoot very, very amateurishly at times. cross fire or a mechanical failure, because these are 40-plus-year-old jets, old migs from the earl 1970s, late '60s. could have been any of the above that brought that down, and resulted in those dramatic pictures you're seeing. >> okay. jim maceda, thank you for the update from tripoli. appreciate it. a little more on the hostile military response in libya. msnbc military analyst retired army colonel jack jacobs joins me. another good morning to you. what is the likelihood that the united states will participate in some way, should some sort of military strikes be ordered, and what would our role be? >> well, very high. as a matter of fact, i think we're participating right now. we've had awacs aircraft up coordinating everything now for days over the mediterranean and we will could not having awacs aircraft up during the duration of whatever this is going to be.
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the no-fly zone, no drive zone what we're establishing. in addition, we're getting intelligence information to the allies not only through the awacs aircraft but from overhead assets. satellites pinpointing the location of targets that will be hit by, by the first and second waves of probably sea launched cruise missiles. >> hmm. >> i think the countries that are going to get involved initially with aircraft are probably frangs and great britain. the nights might participate later on after the anti-air christ sites are destroyed. >> jack, we have iraq, we have afghanistan. is this going to be the third muslim country in which we launch war? >> it looks like it. i think when the united nations pass as resolution like it did. it looks a heck of a lot like the resolution passed that started the korean war. which, by the way, isn't over yet, legally. so, yeah.
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we're getting involved in some way in another conflict. i'm reminded of the observation in a speech given a couple weeks ago by the secretary of defense when he spoke at west point and he said that any president or anybody who gets involved in a war in an arab country in north africa is, needs to have his head examined. and he said it in public. maybe we need to have other head examined. >> can i ask you if there's any chance there would be boots on the ground? >> very unlikely. certainly not american boots on the ground. we do know that there's a strong possibility that there are saudi arabian boots on the ground even now, but the american boots on the ground? i think only in the circumstance in which we might have a downed pilot, which is unlikely, too, since we're probably not going to have aircraft over libya during the duration of this thing. no. very unlikely. >> jack jacobs, as always, many thinks. >> you're very welcome. big news from japan. workers are making progress
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franticly attempting to rebuild power lines leaking radiation. they hope to re-establish power to four of those six reactors at the fukushima plant sometime today. even if power is restored it's not clear if the cooling pumps would work. meanwhile, the japanese government says spinach and milk taken from farms near the fukushima nuclear plant exceed safety limits for radiation. japan's chief captain secretary was quick to add the food poses no immediate health risk. with the past hour, iaea says japan ordered a lawsuit to all sales of food products from the fukushima prefecture. reporting that japan officials say radioactive iodine has been detected in drinking water for tokyo and other areas. frel and state officials here in the u.s. say testing along the west coast shows no health threats from the radiation spewing from the ratation racketers in japan. it's dissipated so much it poses no risk. robert bazell is live in tokyo. with a good day, i know that you
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were feeling more aftershock activity earlier today and anything since? >> reporter: no. there hasn't been any since then. these aftershocks are so routine you don't pay attention to them. the big danger is how much they might affect the reactor, but i don't think this one had any affect. certainly there was no damage here in tokyo. >> okay. that's good. that no damage and that these things are becoming somewhat routine. how about the latest on theest to get those leaky nuke letter rea nuclear reactors under control we've been talking about? >> reporter: some encouraging news. traces of radiation found in food, by a very sophisticated monitoring system in place here in japan, but even though that's very sophisticated, something that scares people, and this shows why the desperate efforts to get that, those nuclear power plants under control are so important. there is some problems. electricity hooked up to two of the reactors.
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later they'll see if they can get the pumps running, cooling down those reactors two have diesel pumps up and running and evidence they're cooling down and that reactor number 3 where they have the helicopter drops, dropped water and they've been using fire cannon, water cannons to shoot at them, they shot in 1,500 gallons of waefter. should be enough to cover the tanks, if the tank isn't leaking. an important piece of progress. when you get back to this, discovery of radioactive food, particularly in milk and spin ch, but milk, you can't -- you would know, even though the government is the saying the amount is not that high, when parents hear about milk radiatesed, they get worried. >> understandably so. i want to ask about that. then say it poses no immediate health risk. okay. peel wonpeople won't have a reaction right away. immediately. but we know cancers can be
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caused by exposures to radiation. do you have a concern about that? >> reporter: well, i don't have concern about the levels they're finding now. they put it in -- here's the context they put it in for the milk. if you drank one glass of this milk every day for an entire year, it would be the equivalent amount of radiation of getting one ct scan. so it's not that much radiation. but the fact is, that people would still worry about that, and japan's food exports are going to be not sought by many countries after this, and so it's going to have an even bigger impact on the economy here. so -- this is going to go on. even if this reactor were shut down today, and believe me, it's not going to be shut down from leaking radiation, these incidents of finding food will go on for days, months, even years, alex. >> okay. robert bazell live in tokyo. thanks so much, bob. those fears of radioactive contamination are lurting sales at tokyo's famous fish market.
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that area is typically crowded with tourists and shoppers, but that market was unusually quiet this morning with all of that growing up certainty over long-term contamination of fish stocks. those that did show up expressed varies degrees of concern about the radiation threat. also developing now, president obama is meeting with brazil the first female president this morning as he kicks off a three-nation tour of 4r59en america. both leaders expected to make comments in just an hour, a little more than that, from now. let's bring in nbc news without chief correspondent chuck todd traveling with the president and joins me live from brasilia, and i hope we have our connection hooked up better than the last couple of hour. with another good morning, chuck, what's the latest? >> reporter: good morning, alex. as you noted in the intro, the president right now is at the presidential palace here in brasilia. brazil's capital, and he is meeting with president dilma rousseff, the first woman president of brazil, only in office a few months. they're meet be about a lot of things, mostly about the
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economy. trying to strengthen economic ties. china has much more of a foothold here. you've heard of what's called the bric nations, the b-r-i-c, brazil, russia, india and china. rising economic powers that are challenging the united states and its influence on the economy. so that's the main reason for this trip. there are a lot of speculation that would give it everything that's is going on in japan, in the middle east and north africa that maybe the president would cancel this trip, but the fact of the matter is, the united states' ins influence in south america, waning as it is, cancelling it would have been seen as a slap in the face by someone we freed as an economic ally. >> coming up from behind with regard to the trade negotiations established isn't brazil and china, for example. even beyond ya, moving to a call you'll question, michelle obama's role on this trip is what? >> reporter: well, somewhat of a goodwill ambassador. the whole family is here,
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including the first grandmother. she's traveling on this trip. and then the trirn's godmother, known at mama k is also on the trip. but michelle obama, the first lady, is keeping her own schedule while leer in brasilia and rio later and also in santiago, chile where she's serving essentially as a goodwill ambassador, very popular on these trips internationally and the white house knows that it's a good public relations tool to have the first lady out and about with the people, because the president's not going to have the same opportunities. particularly on this trip, when, frankly, he's probably spending every piece of down time having to find out what's going on in paris, with secretary of state clinton, meeting with nato allies there, as we speak, to try to figure out how is this military coalition going to work, that goes and deals with libya and gadhafi. >> okay. chuck todd. flaw-free i might add. good live shot. thank you so much. see you again. >> reporter: you got it. a judge's ruling sends a message to wisconsin governor
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in japan today emergency crews are frantically working to reconnect power to the crippled nuclear reactors. struggling to try to start the recooling systems. plant operators hope to have power re-established to four of the six reactors sometime today. joining me, nuclear engineering and radiological sciences at university of michigan. bill, good morning. >> good morning. not the chair anymore. >> you're not? i know you were at one point.
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we're hand it to you still. >> okay. >> let's talk about japan. sir, which has raised the level of the nuclear crisis from a 4 to a 5 out of a scale of 7. 5 is what three mile island one. chernobyl was a 7. do you think this situation is really a 5 or is it worse from what you know? >> well, this scale is like a richter scale for earthquakes. so there's a lot of room in level 5. it's like saying that an earthquake, 5.1 versus a 5.5. so i suspect that level 5 is okay. it's probably going to be more severe than three mile island is, but it could still be a level 5, because there's such a large magnitude between the scales. >> okay. let's talk about what is being done. crews have been blasting those reactors with ocean water. earlier in the week, you've seen, they used helicopters dropping water, using water cans from the ground as well. are you surprised they've been
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able to keep the fuel rods cool enough to the point where they wouldn't melt down completely? >> i suspect that they are not able to keep these fuel rods cooled enough. there's clearly been some fuel damage, because of the hydrogen explosion in the pool of unit 4. >> okay. not cool enough, but how bad is all of that? because we have not seen what is, you know, commonly known at nuclear meltdown. >> no. no. what i think is happening is that the water they are putting on it, any water is good at this point in the incident. so it's good that they're getting water directed into the pool. but the pool is large. if there's a leak in it, it's not filling up, but the water spray will help cool the rods that are in the fuel, in the pit. >> you know, bill, many experts are saying, here's another option to explore. covering these nuclear reactor, with mud, sand, concrete. that could be implemented, bill,
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allegedly as a last resort. why is this possible solution considered a last option in this case? >> well, this -- we're not talking about nuclear reactors here. we're talking about the spent fuel storage pools. >> okay. >> i don't think they're considering the racketers to be covered but the spent pools, storage pools, this may be a last-ditch effort if they cannot maintain cooling of the pit. so they could fill it up with concrete, sand, bus but they have to be careful. you want to make sure that it's borated so you don't have a nuclear reaction by doing this. >> so these spent fuel rods, is that the most volatile, the most concerning element of anything that would be at the fukushima dai-ichi power plant? >> the spent fuel rods don't -- the fuel in the reactor itself, certainly the most dangerous, but it is in the primary containment. so it is relatively safe at this
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point. they're trying to cool them down. it appears they're making progress in cooling the reactors. it's the spent fuel storage pools, they're the issue because they're open to the atmosphere because of the damage to the building that encloses those pools. >> okay. william martin, there from university of michigan, ann arbor, thank you very much. bill, appreciate that. >> you're welcome. thank you. there is news from wisconsin this morning about that new law that strips collective bargains rights from state public employees. a judge has temporarily stopped it from being iranmented weighing a lawsuit challenges that law. considering a complaint filed using procedural loopholes to passes that bill. that's a story we'll keep watching here on "msnbc saturday." [ female announcer ] water was meant to be perfect.
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one says it will have a metal backing and the screen larger. and near field communication chips allowing you to use your phone as a debit card to make payments at the checkout counter. that would be interesting. wouldn't that? various reports indicate iphone 5 comes out sometime in july. japan's road to recovery, an uphill battle, especially for many businesses. putting the economic loss at $170 billion. experts say the actual loss to be much more. all of this taking place during a recession-hit economy. how is this trntlating for companies in japan and the american consumer? joining me now, vera gibbons. given the crisis in japan overall, should consumers expect supply shortages leading to higher prices all around? >> as far as electronics, yes. major disruptions to supply on that end. japan is a major producer of memory chips, for example. using smartphones, tablets. you can definitely expect supply
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shoresages on that front. it's not just about some facilities shut down completely off-line, also infrastructure issues, power outages. you'll see disruption, supply side, getting supplies to the consumer. all sorts of disruptions and possibly price hikes as well. mixed takes on this one. some of the analysts i've talked to said, we're going to see price hikes at the wholesale level, passed on to the consumer. others saying they won't do that, discretionary, because consumers flat out won't buy. >> what about another product? apple's ipad 2? might that be affected? >> analysts are saying expect shortages as far as that product goes because of the components, five components of that particular product are in fact made in japan, including storage memory, touch screen, issues there. you can expect supply shortages on that front. kni this is popular to begin with already exceeding expectations. bought online, four to five weeks. expect it to be longer than
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that. >> the disaster's impact on the auto industry. what's that expected to be? >> same thing there. supply shortages, disruptions there. japan closed down a number of facilities there. toyota halted production of all parts. talking 40,000 vehicles total, and it's not only the japan manufacturers that are going to be affected. a lot of these american cars do use japanese components. that could ultimately mean fewer, or less selection at the showrooms, perhaps longer waiting list for the more popular vehicles. >> and how about luxury goods? i understand japan is a voracious consumer of luxury goods? >> right. third largest buyer, designer handbags, clothing, gucci, some of these big, luxury goods companies. about 35 of them total do rely on 15% of their sales from japan. in fact, japan overall counts for about 11% of global luxury goods sales. you can imagine, investors are
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nervous about this one. what this is going to do to sentiment and ultimately how that will work into consumer spending. all eyes on luxury goods makers. >> vera gibbons, all eyes on you later this morning. thank you. in the moment, latest on the looming military action in libya and supermoon rising. why the moon tonight will look bigger than it has in years. we'll xplar than 0 "msnbc saturda saturday".
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at 32 past the hour, live looks now at the president in a very stormy weather brazil. looks like he's at brasilia. the capital of brazil. the arrival welcoming ceremony ahead of bilateral meeting held with the brazilian president delma reuouse sa and the first lady, of course, her own goodwill ambassador spending time there as the president
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focuses on trade relations with brazil. it can't go unnotice the president is in constant touch with things under way in libya at secretary of state hillary clinton is in paris with meetings right now. again, the president there in brazil. as we talked about hillary clinton it is a closed door meeting in paris with world leaders weighing their options in libya. the secretary of state is accepting the united states as nato considers plans for a no-fly zone to rein in gadhafi's forces. bringing in white house correspondent mike viqueira live on the phone from paris i believe still inside the residence of our u.s. ambassador charlie rifkin. with a good morning to you, mike. what can you tell us? >> reporter: good morning, alex. i am indeed still inside the opulent american ambassador's residence and just down the street a stone's throw from the palace where president sarkozy of france is hosting a momentous discussion. no other way to put it. european diplomats reported elsewhere, pretty impressed. quoted saying bombing runs,
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military action will begin shortly if not immediately after the conclusions of these meetings on this cold and gray overcast day in downtown paris. a lot of heavy hitters here, alex. indicative of the gravity of the situation here. the prime minister of canada, the prime minister of italy, the prime minister of great britain. of course, the president of france and it's not only nato forces and nato countries represented here. the arab league is here. there are african union representatives here as well. of course, that was so important to get them onboard as well. so this is not principally a western-run operation. warplanes, we are seeing reports that european and nato warplanes are prepositioning now in nato bases and other bases in italy and elsewhere around the mediterranean. the question for that, those rebels, the rebel stronghold of benghazi now under siege by gadhafi's forces, too little, too late. the meetings are ongoing.
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as you point out. obviously closed. we've seen leaders coming and going. secretary of state hillary clinton with whom we are traveling, greeted upon her arrival. a luncheon meeting. a couple photo ops. we expect to hear from the secretary and president sarkozy about the outcome of the discussions, obviously a lot of questions, who will be playing the lead role? how extensive will the military missions be? when will they get started. alex? >> all the questions we need answers to. important questions being asked. thank you, mike viqueira in paris. and the death toll of last week's earthquake and tsunami as more than 7,300 people and nearly 11,000 remain missing. also new, radiation levels in milk and spinach taken as far as farms 65 miles way way from the crippled nuclear power plarnt are above the government safety limits. it poses no immediate risk but not good to eat the food for an
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extended period of time. joining me via skype, correspondent for the economist and it's nice to see you again. good morning. >> good morning. >> first up, there has been a little aftershock activity in tokyo over the past couple of hours. what have you felt? >> actually, i am not in the north, not in tokyo right now. i've been visiting relief centers along the northeast coast. i have not actually felt the shock myself but i'm told by people who felt it, all their buildings have shaken in kyoto throughout the city. >> about a 5.9 magnitude quake a couple hours ago. tell me what's going on in terms of what you've seen with the relief shelters from the other part of the country. what have you seen? >> yeah. spirits are good. down on the main island, in the northeast, in the prefecture in particular, iwaki, supplies are short, at hospitals as well as at center.
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food is dwindling down. of course, as long as supply lines are connected, that shouldn't be a problem, unless they get cut off, but they really shouldn't. petrol is really low. if you're a citizen in that area, it's very difficult to get supplies. if you need hospital service, that's tougher as well, although there are beds open at all the hospitals. that's really because the japanese just sort of power through things, and they really are a tough lot in the face of adversity. keep in mind, this area, the coastal regions, are people who be accustomed to physical danger, an, really, throughout all of their, you know, their family life, they're told about tsunamis and earthquakes that when this sort of thing happens, they just sort of buckle down. >> hmm. you know, kenneth look, there doesn't seem to be another tsunami coming. there doesn't seem to be any magnitude, great, great magnitude earthquake coming, but are people still concerned about the radiation levels?
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is there topic a for them? any sense when their lives may get back to normal? >> okay. up north i have not heard one person mention the radiation issue. >> huh. >> part of that -- yeah. part of that is because i was speaking to survivors of the tsunami who lost family members. so everyone feels grateful to be alive. secondly, the wind is going in the other direction. it's going out to sea. and then, thirdly, remember, that the problem is localized. right? we cannot be hysterical about this. it is a very severe and damaging problem, but it's a localized problem. it is not a global or, you know, regional problem, and as long as the pumps start working. they've been -- electricity has gotten to the first two reactors today and they are going to try to start the pumps that hopefully the situation can be stabilized. in fact, there is evidence it has been. so it's important to realize that the japanese recognize that there might be concern about
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direction that things are heads, if they get worse. but where they are today is a deep tragedy and catastrophe for the area, but it's not bigger than that for now. >> all right. kenneth giving us great perspective there. thank you for joining us from sapporo. still ahead in our continuing coverage, we take to you chernobyl. 25 years after the catastrophe. we'll see how life is there today. clear skies in the east giving many people a chance to see the so-called supermoon tonight. nasa says the moon has not been this close to the earth in about 25 years now. so it's going to appear 14% bigger and 30% brighter. weatherwise, things are not so bright out west. a late winter storm in california caused a 40-car pileup in which one person at least has died. go to nbc meteorologist bill karins to see how things are shaping up on the radar. >> in the east, so nice. things have changed as quickly. out west, a reminder that it's
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easily still winter. by the way, the last winter weekend. we officially welcome in spring sunday night. for the storm out west, let's start there. where the worst of the weather will be. a bill storm moving through the mountains of california. picking up two to three feet of snow in the central sierra mountains. in the ski resorts, easily stay open another month, maybe longer than that. they're going to get a heavy dose of snow. the lower elevations, sacramento, san jose, even los angeles has a chance of significant rain. talking as much as two to three inches of rain over this weekend. not a weekend to get things done outdoors. in l.a., a chance of rain continues even into monday before it clears out tuesday and wednesday. low 60s, a little cool for this time of year in l.a. also. your forecast for your saturday out west. you can see the west weather, even thunderstorms a possibility in areas like portland and san francisco. middle of the country, we have storms out there this morning that are going to head from oklahoma into missouri. on the east coast it was nice while it asted.
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areas like new york and boston, temperatures back to reality. that really good warmth is stig hugging areas down in the south. notice boston, 9 degrees cooler now than this time yesterday. by the time we get to sunday, alex, still the same old story. west coast stormy and cooler up there in new england. so who knows how long it will be until we hit 80 again in washington, d.c. it was nice while it lasted. >> indeed. back to chernobyl. 25 years later, the aftermath of a catastrophe and the legacy of disaster. this is video you must see. you're watching "msnbc saturday."
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japan, growing comparisons and contrasts with the worst nuclear accident in history, chernobyl. that was 25 yearsago. here's nbc's michelle kaczynski with what this was like these days. >> reporter: if the signs don't turn you around, a long drive through a desolate forest, lonely villages, two checkpoints and one waiver. >> for possible further deterioration on my house. >> reporter: it will land you right at the broken heart of the surreal no-man's-land remains of chernobyl. what was the gleaming new company town, full of good jobs, new schools, modern apartments. today, if something can be full of emptiness, this is it. radioactive moss flourishes while the buildings and all their soviet chappings, very slowly weather.
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a rarely seen testament to the accident that ultimately sent hundreds ever thousands of people away. >> quite of a shock, really. >> reporter: through the woods that amusement park that nerve her a chance to open, and for good reason. never will. >> how much is it? >> 7,000. >> 7,000? should we even be standing here? >> for a few minutes it's nothing. i do it every day. almost. >> now 700, but here will be 7,000. see the difference? one meter -- >> reporter: but somehow the silence here feels just as distressing. this was a school. there's a mess of gas masks tossed aside by looters who stole the metal parts. pictures of lenin line the walls and floors. you see the children's names,
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grades, careful penmanship. a stuffed bear still holds its flowers. apicaled apicaled -- a pickled pepper waits on a shelf. there is a monument, just don't step on the grass around it. >> the next 300 to 1,000 years it will not be possible to live normally or to have any economic development. >> reporter: but this group is mainly tourists, this couple flew from england just to see it. >> curiosity, i think, is the main thing. >> reporter: we were checked for radiation. all clear before lunch in view of reactor 4. the plant had only been in operation two years before design issues and human errors led to its catastrophic blast. marina was a mile away then. 19 years old living with her parents. today she cannot speak about it without crying.
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>> translator: you saw a cloud like a mushroom. we were like kittens. no one told us what was going on or what to do. >> reporter: left behind now a child's picture of a bird and butterfly, remarkably well preserved, and what humanity soured 25 years ago, only wild nature embraces today in bittersweet solitude. >> great package there by nbc's michelle kaczynski. april 26th, the anniversary. commemorations around the grlob marking that very dark day. how do you feel about the economy? do you agree with the federal reserve things are looking up? a new msnbc survey sheds light on it next on "msnbc saturday." and my itchy eyes took refuge from the dust in here and the pollen outside. but with 24-hour zyrtec®, i get prescription strength relief from my worst allergy symptoms.
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developing right now, fighters are swarming the rebel controlled city and a rebel plane going down during the
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fighting this morning but it is unclear if it was shot down. meanwhile world leaders convened in an emergency meeting in paris. they could call for a response beginning immediately. a new survey measures american attitudes about the future of this country and the results reflect a growing sense of pessimism. americans say they do not believe their wages will increase at the same rate as prices with less than a third expecting wage gains in the year. john, good morning to you. >> good morning, alex. >> why have americans turned so pessimistic and what's your reaction? >> this is the consequence of increases in gas and food prices they have seen. the economic authorities tend to measure underlying inflation, but americans look at what hits
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their bottom line very immediately. when you look at gas and food prices which are traditionally more volatile, they're going up and that's making people feel as if the recovery is being undercut and given how weak the labor market is, they're not keeping pace. >> about 60% of people say we are driving less and saving. more people are spending less on movies and restaurants. it seems to be taking the enjoyment out of things for people. >> that's exactly right. think about how the president has been unlucky. a lot of people have talked over the years about the president have a path towards reaching the white house in a short time but he has been unlucky on the
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economy. he took office at a time of real crisis. we're on a two-year birthday of when the economy started growing again. for the past one year we have had pretty steady job growth. you have the greek financial crisis, the oil spill in the gull. now after a significant amount of job growth you have had the japan earthquake, the unrest in the middle east which is driving oil prices up. if the president could ever marry economic growth, job growth and stable prices, he would be a happy guy but he has got these things undercutting the sense of recovery that people are feeling and that's why you have got this pessimism. >> is that what you think this survey shows. that's up by 22% of last year.
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>> weave seen not in this survey, a pretty direct connection between rising gas prices and peoples' sense that the economy is going in the wrong direction that's the kind of thing that makes people think that even if we are recovering, even if we added jobs last month and there is hope that the recovery is gaining steam. when people see gas over $4 a gallon, people are stress. >> money does play a role in ho happiness? >> americans, most of all what
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they want is not only a good life for thems and their families but the sense that life will be better for their children and that sense of optimism about the future, when you have unemployment at near 9%, better than it was before, you have got a sense that things are getting out of control in terms of world events and then you have got people looking at their bottom line, their pocketbook, and not seeing wages keeping up. this is not the 1990s when we had the boom during that time. and then we had the first decade of this century and economy growth without a lot of wage growth. >> we are glad you are working with us. thank you. >> what's the likely outcome of an allied military attack
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